Jonathan Pokluda

Gabe Lyons

Rebekah Lyons

Ever feel like your spouse is the villain in your marriage story? In this honest conversation, Rebekah and Gabe Lyons sit down with pastor Jonathan Pokluda ("JP") who challenges that narrative with a powerful truth: the real enemy isn't who you think it is. JP vulnerably shares how he and his wife Monica found themselves stuck in a dysfunctional dance after 21 years, and how a conversation with Gabe and Rebekah became "literally life-changing" for their marriage. You'll learn how the enemy's favorite tactic is getting you to believe your spouse is "crazy" or the problem, while the path to healing comes through confession, prayer, and fighting for—not against—each other. Whether you're experiencing an intense, silent, avoidant, or anxious marriage, this conversation offers hope that you can overcome what divides and build a marriage that thrives.